Итак, история началось с того момента, когда я увидел предложение по этому руму на главной и решил сделать туда деп. Внес 5к. Начал играть, но никак не мог настроить худ, который упор не хотел выводить статы на стол. В итоге, решил вывести оттуда деньги.
На вывод я поставил уже 7к, так как выйграл немного. Через день меня попросили предоставить доки. Ну эт не проблема - везде их просят, я все что нужно отправил и через день они их уже проверили и заапрувили.и вот тут начинается цирк.
Сразу после того я получаю подтвержение о док-ах я тут же ставлю все на вывод. Через 2 дня проверяю аккаунт - деньги на счету букерсов. Делаю вывод снова и параллельно пишу в их лайф чат с вопрос о том, какого ,извините, хрена кешаут отменили.
Там ничего не слышали и говорят, что сейчас то все будет ок - не переживайте. Заверили что до конца дня деньгу будут на счету. Конец дня - деньги снова на счету бетсефа. Лайф чат. Там мне говорят, что у них какие-то проблемы с букресами, которые утром решат 200%.
Утром ставлю снова на вывод - вечером деньги на счету. Лайф чат. Пишут что передадут мое дело в секьюрити и нужно ждать мейла от них. Ждем, получаем:
Hello Sergey,
Thank you for your patience.
After investigating your case I can inform you that everything from our side looks correct and right, therefore I would suggest you to try to deposit a smaller amount, less then 5k at once asm your Moneybookers account might have some kind of a limit. As well I would suggest you to contact moneybookers to learn more about possible limitations of your account.
Have a wonderful day!
Best regards,
Janis
Betsafe Customer Support.
Ставлю 4500. Утром. Вечером... ну вы поняли ? Включая уже полюбившийся мне лайфчат, который постоянно отключается и вот что я получаю в ответ на уже известный саппорту вопрос:
Hi, my name is Frits.
Sergey: hello
Frits: How may I assist you?
Sergey: why all my cash outs were cancelled
Frits: First you need to play enough with the money before you can request a withdrawal.
Sergey: i played
Sergey: i played
Sergey: what do u need enough
Sergey: is it any rules that make me to play on your site
Frits: You need to rake at least 3% of your deposit amount.
Sergey: is it joke
Sergey: why
Sergey: why
Sergey: show me this rule plz
Sergey: in your terms and coniditions
Frits: https://customer-service.betsafe.com/en/terms
2.27
The User agrees that funds deposited in his Account must be used for playing Games. Betsafe reserves the right to charge a fee should you request a withdrawal without an Account turnover that is equal or more that the amount of funds deposited.
Frits: In case of Poker that's 3% rake of the deposit amount.
Sergey: what is :"account turnover"
Sergey: I dont understand the meaning of this words
Sergey: can u explain
Frits: It means that the money that was deposited has to be played with.
Frits: For casino it is 100% of the deposit amount.
Frits: For Poker it means that the rake has to be equal to 3% of the deposited amount.
Sergey: " to charge a fee " is that means that u can take money ?
Sergey: " to charge a fee " is that means that u can take money ?
Frits: Yes, a fee may be charged if you withdraw without turning over your deposit sufficiently.
Frits: There are two options:
1) keep playing
2) withdraw and pay the fee
Sergey: and how would it cost for me ?
Frits: I will check with our Payments Team. One moment please.
Sergey: considering I played a little
Frits: The withdrawal fee will be $352.52.
Sergey: are u kidding
Sergey: 3% of 5000 is 150
Sergey: how did they count ?
Frits: The fee is 5% of the withdrawal amount. It is the fee if you withdraw all the funds that are currently in the account.
Sergey: : In case of Poker that's 3% rake of the deposit amount.
Sergey: DEPOSIT
Sergey: DEPOSIT
Frits: Yes, that is the rake that has be paid before you can make the withdrawal, through game play.
Sergey: u tolt it before
Sergey: told
Frits: That is not the withdrawal fee they will deduct if you choose not to play...
Frits: If you choose not to play, the withdrawal fee is 5% of the withdrawal amount.
Sergey: are u creating these rules right now ?
Frits: You can also choose to play and rake 3% of the deposit amount.
Frits: No.
Sergey: So if I play I will have to pay only 150 am I right ?
Frits: One moment please.
Frits: Yes, that is correct. You will have to rake at least $150 before you can withdraw.
Sergey: and what about the rake that I have already payed
Frits: That counts as well of course.
Sergey: playing on your wonderful site
Frits: As long as it was raked after you made that deposit.
Sergey: it was my first and deposite
Sergey: it was my first and deposite
Sergey: so I think it was
Frits: Well, due to security reasons you cannot make a deposit and withdraw again with little to no game play.
Sergey: I mean it should be counted
Sergey: what are u talking about ?
Sergey: I dont undersztand
Sergey: I can not withdraw now my money ?
Sergey: I can not withdraw now my money ?
Frits: The total rake amount is $52.06, so you cannot withdraw at the moment without paying the fee.
Frits: So you need to rake another $97.94 and then you can withdraw.
Sergey: so i need to pay 352.52. - 52.06 to cash out my money now right ?
Frits: +150
Frits: Sorry, you can ignore that last message.
Sergey: how much should I to insta withdraw now
Sergey: 352-52? right ?
Frits: No, the withdrawal fee does not take the paid rake into consideration.
Sergey: mmm
Frits: If you continue to play, the paid rake will of course be taken in to consideration... Then you just have to pay $97.94 more in rake and you are done.
Sergey: wonderful rules
Sergey: ok
Sergey: ok
Sergey: I want money now
Sergey: take 5%
Sergey: and bye bye
Frits: Have a nice evening. Goodbye, Sergey.
Sergey: put money on withdraw
Sergey: put money on withdraw
Frits: Excuse me?
Frits: What do you mean?
Sergey: I put money on withdraw
Sergey: manully
Frits: Ok.
Sergey: in my account on betsafe.com
(некоторые сообщения повторялись, это не мои мисклики это как раз те зависания, о которых я упомянал выше)
ПОсле этого ОК от него сообщений не было, но я решил через некоторое время проверить свой аккаунт бетсейф, и что бы вы думали - деньги за вычетом комисии снова красовались на моем счету. Пёрфект. На что мне скзаали, что нужно было снять комисию прежде чем выводить. Ну а предупредить меня об этом или потом написать мне что нужно сделать вывод заново - они забыли выдимо.
Вообщем делайте выводы сами. Я с такими румами дел иметь не хочу больше.
На вывод я поставил уже 7к, так как выйграл немного. Через день меня попросили предоставить доки. Ну эт не проблема - везде их просят, я все что нужно отправил и через день они их уже проверили и заапрувили.и вот тут начинается цирк.
Сразу после того я получаю подтвержение о док-ах я тут же ставлю все на вывод. Через 2 дня проверяю аккаунт - деньги на счету букерсов. Делаю вывод снова и параллельно пишу в их лайф чат с вопрос о том, какого ,извините, хрена кешаут отменили.
Там ничего не слышали и говорят, что сейчас то все будет ок - не переживайте. Заверили что до конца дня деньгу будут на счету. Конец дня - деньги снова на счету бетсефа. Лайф чат. Там мне говорят, что у них какие-то проблемы с букресами, которые утром решат 200%.
Утром ставлю снова на вывод - вечером деньги на счету. Лайф чат. Пишут что передадут мое дело в секьюрити и нужно ждать мейла от них. Ждем, получаем:
Hello Sergey,
Thank you for your patience.
After investigating your case I can inform you that everything from our side looks correct and right, therefore I would suggest you to try to deposit a smaller amount, less then 5k at once asm your Moneybookers account might have some kind of a limit. As well I would suggest you to contact moneybookers to learn more about possible limitations of your account.
Have a wonderful day!
Best regards,
Janis
Betsafe Customer Support.
Ставлю 4500. Утром. Вечером... ну вы поняли ? Включая уже полюбившийся мне лайфчат, который постоянно отключается и вот что я получаю в ответ на уже известный саппорту вопрос:
Hi, my name is Frits.
Sergey: hello
Frits: How may I assist you?
Sergey: why all my cash outs were cancelled
Frits: First you need to play enough with the money before you can request a withdrawal.
Sergey: i played
Sergey: i played
Sergey: what do u need enough
Sergey: is it any rules that make me to play on your site
Frits: You need to rake at least 3% of your deposit amount.
Sergey: is it joke
Sergey: why
Sergey: why
Sergey: show me this rule plz
Sergey: in your terms and coniditions
Frits: https://customer-service.betsafe.com/en/terms
2.27
The User agrees that funds deposited in his Account must be used for playing Games. Betsafe reserves the right to charge a fee should you request a withdrawal without an Account turnover that is equal or more that the amount of funds deposited.
Frits: In case of Poker that's 3% rake of the deposit amount.
Sergey: what is :"account turnover"
Sergey: I dont understand the meaning of this words
Sergey: can u explain
Frits: It means that the money that was deposited has to be played with.
Frits: For casino it is 100% of the deposit amount.
Frits: For Poker it means that the rake has to be equal to 3% of the deposited amount.
Sergey: " to charge a fee " is that means that u can take money ?
Sergey: " to charge a fee " is that means that u can take money ?
Frits: Yes, a fee may be charged if you withdraw without turning over your deposit sufficiently.
Frits: There are two options:
1) keep playing
2) withdraw and pay the fee
Sergey: and how would it cost for me ?
Frits: I will check with our Payments Team. One moment please.
Sergey: considering I played a little
Frits: The withdrawal fee will be $352.52.
Sergey: are u kidding
Sergey: 3% of 5000 is 150
Sergey: how did they count ?
Frits: The fee is 5% of the withdrawal amount. It is the fee if you withdraw all the funds that are currently in the account.
Sergey: : In case of Poker that's 3% rake of the deposit amount.
Sergey: DEPOSIT
Sergey: DEPOSIT
Frits: Yes, that is the rake that has be paid before you can make the withdrawal, through game play.
Sergey: u tolt it before
Sergey: told
Frits: That is not the withdrawal fee they will deduct if you choose not to play...
Frits: If you choose not to play, the withdrawal fee is 5% of the withdrawal amount.
Sergey: are u creating these rules right now ?
Frits: You can also choose to play and rake 3% of the deposit amount.
Frits: No.
Sergey: So if I play I will have to pay only 150 am I right ?
Frits: One moment please.
Frits: Yes, that is correct. You will have to rake at least $150 before you can withdraw.
Sergey: and what about the rake that I have already payed
Frits: That counts as well of course.
Sergey: playing on your wonderful site
Frits: As long as it was raked after you made that deposit.
Sergey: it was my first and deposite
Sergey: it was my first and deposite
Sergey: so I think it was
Frits: Well, due to security reasons you cannot make a deposit and withdraw again with little to no game play.
Sergey: I mean it should be counted
Sergey: what are u talking about ?
Sergey: I dont undersztand
Sergey: I can not withdraw now my money ?
Sergey: I can not withdraw now my money ?
Frits: The total rake amount is $52.06, so you cannot withdraw at the moment without paying the fee.
Frits: So you need to rake another $97.94 and then you can withdraw.
Sergey: so i need to pay 352.52. - 52.06 to cash out my money now right ?
Frits: +150
Frits: Sorry, you can ignore that last message.
Sergey: how much should I to insta withdraw now
Sergey: 352-52? right ?
Frits: No, the withdrawal fee does not take the paid rake into consideration.
Sergey: mmm
Frits: If you continue to play, the paid rake will of course be taken in to consideration... Then you just have to pay $97.94 more in rake and you are done.
Sergey: wonderful rules
Sergey: ok
Sergey: ok
Sergey: I want money now
Sergey: take 5%
Sergey: and bye bye
Frits: Have a nice evening. Goodbye, Sergey.
Sergey: put money on withdraw
Sergey: put money on withdraw
Frits: Excuse me?
Frits: What do you mean?
Sergey: I put money on withdraw
Sergey: manully
Frits: Ok.
Sergey: in my account on betsafe.com
(некоторые сообщения повторялись, это не мои мисклики это как раз те зависания, о которых я упомянал выше)
ПОсле этого ОК от него сообщений не было, но я решил через некоторое время проверить свой аккаунт бетсейф, и что бы вы думали - деньги за вычетом комисии снова красовались на моем счету. Пёрфект. На что мне скзаали, что нужно было снять комисию прежде чем выводить. Ну а предупредить меня об этом или потом написать мне что нужно сделать вывод заново - они забыли выдимо.
Вообщем делайте выводы сами. Я с такими румами дел иметь не хочу больше.