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  • Форум GipsyTeam Кэш-игра Безлимитный холдем/PLO — от NL400 и выше Дневники кэш-игроков от NL400 и выше Колодец Михаила «innerpsy» Шаламова
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    06.01.2019 20:59
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  • Форум GipsyTeam Кэш-игра Безлимитный холдем/PLO — от NL400 и выше Дневники кэш-игроков от NL400 и выше Колодец Михаила «innerpsy» Шаламова
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  • Форум GipsyTeam Кэш-игра Безлимитный холдем/PLO — от NL400 и выше Дневники кэш-игроков от NL400 и выше Колодец Михаила «innerpsy» Шаламова
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  • Форум GipsyTeam Вокруг покера Игра в онлайне — покер-румы и платежные системы Серьезный вопрос по дисконнету на Pokerstars
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    Давно не писал, но сегодня уже крик души.
    Раньше тоже были проблемы с дисконнектами, но из-за не значительных ситуаций не было смысла их раздувать. Но это другой случай.
    Хочется попробовать сдвинуть машину Pokerstars и обратить внимание на проблемы игроков.
    Неделя переписки с Pokerstars не дала ни каких результатов. Поэтому решил достучаться через покерное комьюнити. В надежде, что меня услышат и поддержат.

    Следующая раздача произошла в юбилейном Сандей Миллионе на прошлой неделе.

    No Limit Holdem Tournament
    PokerStars
    9 Players
    $200+$15

    Stacks:
    UTG (33,063) 66bb
    UTG+1 (1,573) 3bb
    MP1 (13,447) 27bb
    MP2 (46,659) 93bb
    MP3 (10,298) 21bb
    CO (33,976) 68bb
    BTN Hero (31,800) 64bb
    SB (53,940) 108bb
    BB (31,125) 62bb

    Blinds: 250/500 Ante 60

    Pre-Flop: (1,290, 9 players) Hero is BTN AceDiam.png As.png
    3 folds, MP2 raises to 1,000, MP3 calls 1,000, 1 fold, Hero raises to 3,500, SB calls 3,250, 1 fold, MP2 folds, MP3 calls 2,500
    Flop: 9s.png 8c.png Ah.png (12,540, 3 players)

    SB checks, MP3 goes all-in 6,738, Hero folds, SB folds

    Final Pot: 19,278

    MP3 wins 19,278 (net +8,980)

    MP2 lost 1,060
    Hero lost 3,560
    SB lost 3,560


    Для тех, кто не понял, о чем речь. Вкратце:
    Hero на баттоне получает AA.
    Идет минрейз с MP2 и колдколл на MP3. Hero делает 3бет в 3.5 раза.
    На SB следует колдколл 3бета, оригинальный рейзер падает, MP3 так же заходит Коллом (!) с микростэком(!!) в банк.
    На флопе А89 коротыш лидит all-in. И Hero с сетом тузов (натсовая комбинация на фопе) уходит в пас!

    Сразу после колла SB, у меня происходит дисконнект. Реконнект происходит через 15-20 секунд (далее я докажу, что времени прошло не много), но рука уже в пасе. У меня остался неиспользованный тайм банк 47 секунд.
    На момент раздачи средний стэк в турнире был на уровне 35000 фишек. У меня остается 28000 вместо 50000+.

    Я играю в покер с 2007 года. Давно уже не тильтую из-за переездов и всяких долетов.
    Но эта рука просто выбила меня из колеи. Я очень долго не мог оправиться и в итоге из-за массы глупых ошибок, которых не делаю в нормальном состоянии, вылетел из турнира. Я бы даже назвал это "состоянием аффекта". Говорят, в таком состояние даже за убийство могут оправдать:f_cool:
    Дополнительно масла в огонь подливало то, что коротыш развился до 2,5х среднего стэка, а мой стэк продолжал таять от неконтролируемого тильта.

    Прошу комьюнити поддержать мое обращение к Pokerstars и повлиять на изменение политики при дисконнектах, хотя бы в дорогих турнирах! Но лучше везде ввести новую политику.

    Предложение следующие:
    Изменить текущее положение относительно дисконнета на новую редакцию.
    В случае, если игрок добровольно внес деньги в банк и произошел дисконнект, увеличить время на реконнект до 30 секунд, а так же использовать таймбанк игрока, чтобы позволить ему восстановить соединение.

    Так же считаю честным повторное участие в турнире с тем же бай-ином в качестве моральной компенсации.


    Сразу хочу извиниться. Не знаю, как правильно было сконвертировать руки, чтобы они красиво легли на форуме. Поэтому в чистом виде закинул две руки последовательно под спойлер.
    Первая начинается в 15:26:22, вторая в 15:27:25. Разница 1 минута 3 секунды. За вычетом действий всех игроков за столом, легко можно посчитать , что с момента дисконнета прошло минимум времени до ситаута.


    PokerStars Hand #199296704797: Tournament #2560911412, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (250/500) - 2019/04/15 3:26:22 CCT [2019/04/14 15:26:22 ET]
    Table '2560911412 2382' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: Player 1 (13447 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 2: Player 2 (46659 in chips)
    Seat 3: Player 3 (10298 in chips)
    Seat 4: Player 4 (33976 in chips)
    Seat 5: Player 5 (Hero) (31800 in chips)
    Seat 6: Player 6 (53940 in chips)
    Seat 7: Player 7 (31125 in chips)
    Seat 8: Player 8 (33063 in chips)
    Seat 9: Player 9 (1573 in chips)
    Player 1: posts the ante 60
    Player 2: posts the ante 60
    Player 3: posts the ante 60
    Player 4: posts the ante 60
    Player 5 (Hero): posts the ante 60
    Player 6: posts the ante 60
    Player 7: posts the ante 60
    Player 8: posts the ante 60
    Player 9: posts the ante 60
    Player 6: posts small blind 250
    Player 7: posts big blind 500
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Player 5 (Hero) [Ad As]
    Player 8: folds
    Menace158: folds
    Player 1: folds
    Player 2: raises 500 to 1000
    Player 3: calls 1000
    Player 4: folds
    Player 5 (Hero): raises 2500 to 3500
    Player 6: calls 3250
    Player 7: folds
    Player 2: folds
    Player 3: calls 2500
    *** FLOP *** [9s 8c Ah]
    Surv1vorNo.1: checks
    Player 3: bets 6738 and is all-in
    Player 5 (Hero) is disconnected
    Player 5 (Hero) has timed out while disconnected
    Player 5 (Hero): folds
    Player 5 (Hero) is sitting out
    Player 6: folds
    Uncalled bet (6738) returned to Player 3
    Player 3 collected 12540 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 12540 | Rake 0
    Board [9s 8c Ah]
    Seat 1: Player 1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: Player 2 folded before Flop
    Seat 3: Player 3 collected (12540)
    Seat 4: Player 4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: Player 5 (Hero) (button) folded on the Flop
    Seat 6: Player 6 (small blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 7: Player 7 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: Player 8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: Player 9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)



    PokerStars Hand #199296765020: Tournament #2560911412, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (250/500) - 2019/04/15 3:27:25 CCT [2019/04/14 15:27:25 ET]
    Table '2560911412 2382' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: Player 1 (13387 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 2: Player 2 (45599 in chips)
    Seat 3: Player 3 (19278 in chips)
    Seat 4: Player 4 (33916 in chips)
    Seat 5: Player 5 (Hero) (28240 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 6: Player 6 (50380 in chips)
    Seat 7: Player 7 (30565 in chips)
    Seat 8: Player 8 (33003 in chips)
    Seat 9: Player 9 (1513 in chips)
    Player 1: posts the ante 60
    Player 2: posts the ante 60
    Player 3: posts the ante 60
    Player 4: posts the ante 60
    Player 5 (Hero): posts the ante 60
    Player 6: posts the ante 60
    Player 7: posts the ante 60
    Player 8: posts the ante 60
    Player 9: posts the ante 60
    Player 7: posts small blind 250
    Player 8: posts big blind 500
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Player 5 (Hero) [9d Kc]
    Player 5 (Hero) has returned
    Player 9: folds
    Player 1: folds
    Player 2: folds
    Player 3: calls 500
    Player 4: folds
    Player 5 (Hero): folds
    Player 6: folds
    Player 7: calls 250
    Player 8: checks
    *** FLOP *** [Jc 2h 6s]
    Player 7: checks
    Player 5 (Hero) said, "wtf!!! AA WAS!"
    Player 8: checks
    Player 3: checks
    *** TURN *** [Jc 2h 6s] [2d]
    Player 7: bets 500
    Player 8: folds
    Player 3: folds
    Uncalled bet (500) returned to Player 7
    Player 7 collected 2040 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2040 | Rake 0
    Board [Jc 2h 6s 2d]
    Seat 1: Player 1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: Player 2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: Player 3 folded on the Turn
    Seat 4: Player 4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: Player 5 (Hero) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Player 6 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: Player 7 (small blind) collected (2040)
    Seat 8: Player 8 (big blind) folded on the Turn
    Seat 9: Player 9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    Ниже прилагаю полную переписку с поддержкой Покерстарс на текущий момент - под спойлером.
    Суть переписки сводится к тому, что они не виноваты в моем дисконнекте. Я же объясняю, что дело не в дисконнекте, а в ситауте без таймбанка, хотя я находился в раздаче.


    20.04.2019, 22:18,
    Hello.

    Ok. You don't want to give money back.

    But try to be on my side. It very strange, if I already put money in a pot, why I cant use my time bank?!
     I need chance to do something!  But if I disconnected between decisions another players I lose that chance. 

    If I disconnected before put money it is my problem. I ready to get it. But in my situation it not fair and do not logical.

    Just think about it! 

    It very serious problem for players without stable connection.

    Best regards, Alexey.
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    20.04.2019, 16:25, "support@starsaccount.com" <support@starsaccount.com>:
    Hello Alexey,

    Thanks for your enquiry about our tournament rules.

    The Time Bank is in place to give players additional time to make difficult decisions. It does not protect against disconnections. The Time Bank activates automatically only if a player has money in the pot and is connected to the server. Otherwise, you have to manually click the "TIME" button to activate your time bank or your hand will be folded once the time to act expires and your status will be set to 'Sitting Out'.

    If you do have money in the pot and are disconnected, you will receive additional time to reconnect and act if you are on the bubble or in the money in MTTs or SNGs.

    'Disconnect Extra Time' is explained in detail on our web site at:

    www.pokerstars.com/poker/tournaments/rules/disconnect/

    This page is referenced in our Tournament rules as well:

    www.pokerstars.com/poker/tournaments/rules/

    To explain, when a tournament reaches the point where the money is being contested, it is important for the awards to be based upon poker play rather than on Internet connectivity. A player whose Internet Service Provider (ISP) fails near the end of a tournament deserves every chance to return to the game and play for the prize rather than being blinded off.

    As said in the previous email, you were not adversely affected, we cannot issue a refund (or a second chance) for this event.

    Thank you for your understanding, and please let us know if you have any other questions and thanks for playing with us.

    Regards,

    Julien
    Stars Support




    You are receiving this email as a customer of The Stars Group (TSG), who operate brands that are accessed using a Stars Account.

    For more information visit: http://www.starsaccount.fr/

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    Isle of Man Address: Douglas Bay Complex, King Edward Road, Onchan, IM3 1DZ, Isle of Man

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    Sent: 04/17/2019 06:12:51
    To: "support@starsaccount.com" <support@starsaccount.com>
    Subject: Re: Stars Support - Refund request

    Hello

    I did not ask for refund!
    I was stressed in very expensive tournament for me and when  I was disconnected with pocket AA in multipot on flop A89 I was fold without timebank .
    And my question was "why in that expensive tournament do not work time bank and disconnection will sit out me after 15 second?" Of course after that I was tilted almost 2 hours and lose my stack. But must have almost double average stack.
    I dont ask you why I was disconnected. I Ask you why I was sit out and loose half of my stack in expensive tournament just for 15 seconds? And what can you do to fix it.
    If u give me some second chance to play in tournament like that it will be fair. But need to change policy of disconnections in expensive tournaments.


    17.04.2019, 17:32, "support@starsaccount.com" <support@starsaccount.com>:
    Hello Alexey,

    Thank you for contacting us.
    Regarding Tournament #2560911412, we have reviewed your hand history to see the effect of any disconnections on your chip stack. The hand history shows that you disconnected 1 time, missed 2 hands and paid 1 small blind.

    We regret that as you were not adversely affected, we cannot issue a refund for this event. We can email you the hand history if you wish to see it.

    Please note also, that the client did not suffer any server-side problems or disconnection during this tournament. Your problems seem to have been local to your computer or Internet Service Provider (ISP); otherwise many players would have been disconnected, and that was not the case.

    Part of the inherent risk of playing poker on the Internet is the possibility that Internet connections may fail for any number of reasons. From a practical business standpoint, it is impossible for us to be responsible for the Internet connections of our players.

    Section '4. Disconnects and Sitting Out' of our Tournament Rules page states, in part:

    "By participating in a tournament, a player accepts the risk of Internet disconnection, due to problems with the connection between their computer and the servers, lag or freeze or some other problem in the player's computer or the Internet.

    We do not accept any responsibility for a player disconnect except in the case of a server crash."
    The complete rule list is available here:

    www.pokerstars.com/poker/tournaments/rules/

    Regards,

    Nikolay
    Stars Support

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    > Sent: 04/14/2019 15:35:04
    > Subject: Disconnections (PS) COM S&C - V1.2018 Disconnet + timebank!
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    > Right now I play in Sunday Million and has disconneted for 15 second . After back my hand was fold, But still have time bank. WTF??? Why in so expensive tournament I have problem like that? How can you give my stack back or do somethiing else??? Check pls it was very importand hand!!



    Просьба не цепляться к моему английскому. Адекватно, как комьюнити считает, кто прав?

    PS Личную информацию и имена игроков скрыл, в случае движения ситуации в положительную сторону готов предоставить полную информацию.
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  • Форум GipsyTeam Кэш-игра Безлимитный холдем/PLO — от NL400 и выше Дневники кэш-игроков от NL400 и выше Колодец Михаила «innerpsy» Шаламова
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    04.01.2019 04:08
    Начал тяжёлый путь на #PSPC
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    05.01.2019 16:01
    В Нью-Йорке хорошо, а на Багамах лучше. Поехал в аэропорт, пора в тропики! #PSPC

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